[PAA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: The gutless representatives
robert
gram.graham at sbcglobal.net
Fri Jan 14 14:34:48 EST 2011
It appears to me that we (listeners) have been ignored or "managed" by the
manager class at our "listener-sponsored" radio station. Therefore I have
concluded that our only vote in this matter (all matters) is our money. We
support this radio station with our money as well as our
government..........our only act of defiance is withholding the
cash.......we can protest all we want and they can "manage" the situation to
their advantage......any publicity is good publicity. And as long as they
have our money they have our consent............"don't take it
personally......it's only about the money"......with hold the money and they
will be begging for it unless they can get it from someone else........and
in this case that may be the quid pro quo that they made with the
Synagogue of Satan
people.
I suggest that we start a campaign to join forces to stop funding Apartheid
KP <javascript:void(0)> tel Aviv radio. "It's our only vote"
_____
From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
Behalf Of Massoud
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:05 PM
To: 'Melinda Iley-Dohn'
Cc: 'discuss paa'
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: The gutless representatives
That is one of the best way to describe the need of Open Journal. Thanks
Melinda. I agree.
From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
Behalf Of Melinda Iley-Dohn
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:50 PM
To: discuss paa; Wendy Schroell
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: The gutless representatives
Agreed, Wendy. I have voiced my concerns about having one interest having a
regular
OJ for that very reason.
When I do outreach, I use the Open Journals as an enticement for
Non-Profofts I speak
with. I am very much in favor of having a diversity of opinions and this is
why I am very
adamant about the need to leave them open for the Non-Profits.
Melinda Iley-Dohn
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania 1759
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Wendy Schroell <wendy at radio4houston.org> wrote:
From: Wendy Schroell <wendy at radio4houston.org>
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: The gutless representatives
To: "discuss paa" <Discuss at paa-tx.org>
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 11:35 AM
The Program Director can put on any show he wants. Sure, they have this
Program Council, but it's never been in charge of putting shows on - to me
it's more like a "help me vet these new proposals" and "help me evaluate
this or that" - all that stuff is a lot of work. When we first envisioned
the PC, it was the decided. That was watered down ALOT by the time it
became reality. They don't decide, and neither does the board.
This is Open Journal, and as far as I know no one pretends that it has to go
through a process. That would be too hard - unworkable. For me the
question is, how can this program get two OJ's a month. To me that is a
regular program, and if they want it so bad then they should give it a
timeslot instead of taking up so many of the "community" programs.. I guess
if it's a regular program then they do do the Program Council dog and pony
show before it can be approved - it's regular enough to do that.
wendy
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Ron and Kris Graham
<graham2639 at mindspring.com
<http://us.mc654.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=graham2639@mindspring.com> >
wrote:
Hey, Bill, you said, "Legitimate concerns have definitely been expressed,
but let's please remember that there are other much more serious KPFT and
Pacifica issues (such as the need for effective outreach and marketing so
we'll get more listeners for our 75+ programs, and fundraising to help pull
Pacifica out of its financial mess), and I really need to spend time and
energy making sure those are addressed.."
I would counter by saying that if station management is making unilateral
decisions regarding programming or anything else which the LSB and the PC
should have a voice in, then THAT issue is just as important as the issues
of bringing more listeners to the station and the financial mess that
Pacifica finds itself in.
This issue of station management running the station like its own fiefdom
has got to stop, Bill. You will not attract any new listeners or get any
more money into the station if station management isn't reigned in
immediately and the various councils and the LSB don't start doing their
jobs. I am not going to give another dime of our money to KPFT while I am
concerned about the way business is conducted at the station. In fact, if I
find that station management is making decisions unilaterally on a
continuing basis and not actively consulting with the LSB and the PC, I will
ACTIVELY encourage others to boycott the station and withdraw their dollars.
Money talks very effectively.
Now, how are decisions being made at KPFT? Are Duane and Ernesto making
decisions as though they have the divine right of kings and have the LSB and
the PC abdicated their responsibilities? The LSB's job is NOT to kiss the
ring of station management and be yes men and yes women. The PC's job is NOT
to hand over programming decisions solely to Duane and Ernesto.
Those listeners who contribute their hard earned dollars to KPFT expect
their representatives on the LSB to represent the listeners' interests and
NOT the interests of station management. Ron and I have contributed money to
the station in the past and would continue to do so if we felt like anybody
at the station gave a shit what we thought or considered what we wanted
which is hard hitting journalism and programming that gives a voice to the
voiceless as opposed to serving as a mouthpiece for a governmental body of
any state. We don't listen to KPFT in order to be propagandized. We can get
a whole slew of propaganda from the MSM if we want it. We listen to KPFT so
that we can hear alternative voices for peace, justice and equality from all
over the world.
Please answer my questions, Bill as they are legitimate and deserving of the
opinion of one who sits on the Pacifica National Board. Thanks.
Kris
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Crosier [mailto:paa at crosierbiomed.com
<http://us.mc654.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=paa@crosierbiomed.com> ]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:39 AM
To: PAA Discussion List
Subject: [PAA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: The gutless representatives
Massoud, thanks for sending the link to the Jewish Herald Voice article
(which also has a youtube video showing part of the town hall meeting). I
had not yet seen that.
You may not want to hear this, and I realize that Monday's town hall is
fresh in your mind, but the Greenwatch TV show, that Ray Hill and I were
invited to be on but had no part in planning, was supposed to be about KPFT
history and what makes KPFT unique, not about the KPFT listener town hall
that you organized in response to the Israeli Consulate-produced KPFT show.
Ray and I also didn't control the questions on the TV show.
I know you care deeply about the Israeli Consulate Open Journal program
(whose producer has now apparently been switched, at least for now, to the
Jewish Herald Voice reporter who wrote the article you referenced). I also
told KPFT management that I felt it was a mistake to give representatives of
the executive branch of any government, especially one in violation of UN
sanctions, the ability to produce their own show. However, do you think the
viewers of the Greenwatch show expected it cover a townhall meeting that
focused on just that one show? Or were you disappointed that we didn't go
after our GM and PD publicly on Greenwatch? I've had significant
disagreements with our GM and PD (including about the show the townhall
responded to), but I don't think the place to address those disagreements is
on a TV show about KPFT history. And I think it would be very inappropriate
for anyone on our board to address management personnel issues in public.
There are a number of people on our board who will make sure that management
concerns are addressed properly, through our LSB's management selection and
review committee.
This whole thing is feeling more and more like a witch hunt, and I've heard
that sentiment from a number of people. And I'm feeling more and more that
Ray Hill is right, that maybe we should look at this at least partly as a
free speech issue.
Legitimate concerns have definitely been expressed, but let's please
remember that there are other much more serious KPFT and Pacifica issues
(such as the need for effective outreach and marketing so we'll get more
listeners for our 75+ programs, and fundraising to help pull Pacifica out of
its financial mess), and I really need to spend time and energy making sure
those are addressed.
I might note that I was very glad to hear the Open Journal that Nick Cooper
produced last week, in response to the Israeli Consulate Open Journal
program, and glad that that KPFT management moved it up in the queue so we
could hear it without waiting the usual month or so (the typical OJ
backlog).
If anyone is interested in seeing the Greenwatch show, it's at
<http://www.vimeo.com/18773183>http://www.vimeo.com/18773183 Take a look
and see for yourself, especially the part where Ray Hill talked about the
importance of free speech.
Bill
At 9:01 AM -0600 1/14/11, Massoud wrote:
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>1) FYI: Our PSA was played many times. Also Duane mentioned the details of
the Town Hall meeting several times on his show. The web site never
mentioned the town hall before or after it was held.
>
>2) Bill is responsible for telling the truth when he talks about the issue
in public on behalf of KPFT. I'm just recording the truth around this issue.
This is not personal.
>
>3) This is about an unfounded accusation of us being "Anti-Semite" that was
brought against us and then we rewarded the accuser by giving them a free
pass show to pure ourselves! This is a simple case.
>
>Massoud
>
>
>From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org
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On
Behalf Of Wendy Schroell
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:32 AM
>To: discuss at paa-tx.org
<http://us.mc654.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=discuss@paa-tx.org> ;
friends_of_KPFT at yahoogroups.com
<http://us.mc654.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=friends_of_KPFT@yahoogroups.co
m>
>Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] The gutless representatives
>
>I don't see how it makes sense to call out Bill Crosier on this, but I do
find it interesting to hear that there is no mention of this town hall [not
the website, the meeting] at KPFT.org. Was it ever mentioned there, like,
as an upcoming event? Was it announced on the radio with any regularity? I
saw the email from Ernesto to the programmers and assume he was talking
about a promo for the townhall - saying that people were calling programmers
and misrepresenting that playing that PSA was mandatory. Sounded like an
overreaction, but whatever. I haven't been able to listen to KPFT lately -
did they announce the townhall on the radio with any regularity?
>
>I really don't get what you're talking about, Massoud, to have Bill and Ray
debate you [plural - who is that?] on the radio or TV. What would that look
like? They don't run KPFT, certainly don't decide what's on the air. Bill
isn't in favor of this so called Voice of Peace program, and I guess Ray is
continuing the "I'll fight like hell for the first amendment" argument -
that doesn't mean that he's necessarily in favor of the program either.
Seems counterproductive to make targets of people that are actually your
allies. So everyone doesn't approach a problem in the same way - that can
be a very good thing as one way or the other might not work.
>
>wendy
>
>
>On Jan 14, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Massoud wrote:
>
>
>Mr. Bill Crosier,
>
>Please view the latest coverage of KPFT by the Jewish Herald Voice at:
><http://jhvonline.com/voice-of-peace-kpft-management-slammed-at-townhall-p1
<http://jhvonline.com/voice-of-peace-kpft-management-slammed-at-townhall-p10
392-96.htm>
0392-96.htm>http://jhvonline.com/voice-of-peace-kpft-management-slammed-at-t
<http://jhvonline.com/voice-of-peace-kpft-management-slammed-at-townhall-p10
392-96.htm>
ownhall-p10392-96.htm
>
>You and Mr. Hill spoke on behalf of KPFT on Houston Media Source after our
Town Hall. Both of you gentlemen were at our KPFT Town Hall meeting on Jan
10th, 2011. But both of you did not have the guts to mention this Town Hall
meeting, when you vaguely mentioned the "Israeli Consulate" issue. But the
Jewish Herald Voice has enough Journalistic integrity to cover our Town Hall
meeting by video and through an article.
>
>Mr. Bill Crosier, it is a shame that our own KPFT.ORG <http://kpft.org/>
web site, does not
mention anything about the KPFT TOWN HALL meeting. Aren't you for a
dialogue? Is it possible to have a dialogue while our voice is censored on
our own radio? These days, our phone calls to our own radio are screened and
cut off - the same way as the AM right wing Radio Talk shows operate. You
and Mr. Hill need to take a side on the Israeli government propaganda on
KPFT. Your wishy washy Liberal suggestion of having a counter program each
time that the Israeli Consulate goes on our radio and takes our sacred air
time which is paid by our money to misinform our listeners - is just as
ridicules as the "Anti-Semite" accusations against us. Demand "No More Show
for Shlomo" on KPFT!
>
>On the HMS-TV show as a PNB member, you projected yourself as an official
representative of KPFT, then you should act like one. Be honest with your
KPFT family. The first step is to stop censoring the voice of
<http://www.kpfttownhall.org <http://www.kpfttownhall.org/>
>www.kpfttownhall.org <http://www.kpfttownhall.org/> , there was a Peaceful
Listeners Sponsored Town Hall meeting on Jan. 10. Do not deny that.
>
>We are a Voice at KPFT. We challenge you and Mr. Hill to a debate on this
issue on our radio or HMS-TV. But I hope before we get to that point - for
the sake of KPFT - you correct the course.
>
>Massoud
>
>
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