[PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Tue Sep 19 11:56:21 EDT 2017

Here we go again, with all due respect, Jimmy has his own “alternative facts”! He says:  “Hillary & Obama want health care for all.”!! Delusional. Am I wrong?

Massoud

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:35 AM
To: joe
Cc: Lee Loe; Discuss Paa; Juli Kring; Barry Klein; Anne del Prado; Bob Henschen; Massoud
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Joe,

Every ex-president gets those big bucks for speeches.  That is nothing new or does it mean they favor the rich.

Hillary & Obama want health care for all.  Repubs want to kill the Affordable Care Act and eliminate Medicaid expansion money. That's in today's news. Sen. Lindsey Graham is leading this effort. John McCain is thinking about it since AZ governor is also on board.

Jimmy

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Look at the policies Bill enacted during his 8 year reign. Based on his actions he is the most successful president of implementing Republican policies.

His military attack on Kosovo let the Military Industrial Complex know he is their guy. Hilary as Sec of State made it worst. Remember she was getting $200,000 a speech on Wall street just before her run for Queen.  We now see Obama following this lead but as ex king he gets $400,000 for a Wall St speech or showing up at a convention.  Bill and Hillary have always been everything for the .01% (Princes and Princesses)  Nothing the unions and middle class.

The article below will get you started;   

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/8/29/1416770/-No-Bill-Clinton-Was-Not-a-Progressive-President

Joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: joe; Lee Loe; Discuss Paa; Juli Kring; Barry Klein; Anne del Prado; Bob Henschen; Massoud

Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Joe,

Where do you get the idea that Hillary and Bill want the USA to be ruled by the rich?  I have never heard such a statement from anyone else.

They both are Democrats which try to help the middle and lower classes  whereas the Repubs lean to helping the rich stay rich will their tax programs.

Jimmy

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:20 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Yes, Bernie is an excellent example of what all of our politicians should do, but Hilary raised more money  and twice as much as Trump from Wall Street Banks and other Corporate entities. She is a neocon and so is her Husband Bill Clinton they believe that we should be ruled by the rich (Oligarchs) they get their funding from Oligarchs.  Majority of Republicans do the same get their money from Corporations.  This is a distortion of Democracy and what the Pope calls "Savage Capitalism"  It puts money before people. 

Joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:49 PM
To: joe
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

I know Bernie Sanders reported thousands of donations all of them together averaging something like $29 each.

Jimmy

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:00 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Jimmy, he was an example, you should do this for everyone you are voting for. 

You need to know how they get their money and it is mostly from lobbyist. 

If you google you will get websites that will help.

joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:45 AM

To: joe
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

John McCain is just one member of the senate.  He is against torture.

Foreign policy regarding Venezuela is under the president and Sec. of State not Congress.

Jimmy

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:25 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Look at  how the votes by McCann and crew. 

Look at where they get their campaign funding.  

This is open information 

You should know where the Congressman and Senators get their $'s

joe 

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 3:17 PM
To: joe
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Congress is not on Military Industrial payroll, where is your evidence of that? But they may have military projects in almost every congressional district that congress reps can vote for.

Jimmy

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 10:41 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Yes,  except for Rand Paul who will you push with.  The rest on the Military Industrial payroll

Joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:41 AM
To: joe

Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Yes Joe, we need to push for a reduced Defense budget which is currently higher than the next 8 nations combined.

Jimmy

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

They are wrong choices for us the taxpayers and for the soldiers who fight and die, the merchants who sell the weapons love it.

joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:31 AM
To: Joe Marcinkowski
Cc: Catherine Foley; joe; massoud1; Lee Loe; Discuss Paa; Elio Cequea; L-R Converg

Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Thanks Joe,

I'm sure USA has made many wrong choices over the years like still fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Past time to pull out.

Jimmy

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Joe Marcinkowski <joegreenst41 at gmail.com> wrote:

Jimmy,   

Abbey Martin does a really good job in this interview in pointing out the dictators (anti Democratic) the USA has backed over 
Democratically elected presidents who cared about the people. All of this is part of our History it is not questionable.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG29FnXZm4F5U8xpqs1cs1Q

Joe

From: Catherine Foley [mailto:stbsjg at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:11 PM
To: Jimmy Dunne
Cc: Joe Marcinkowski; joe; massoud1; Lee Loe; Discuss Paa; Elio Cequea; L-R Converg

Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

This would be a "funny" if it weren't so historically and intellectually sad.

C🦋
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On Sep 14, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Jimmy Dunne <jimmydunne80 at gmail.com> wrote:

Joe, you are 100 percent wrong. We supported democracy with our sanctions against Cuba the only non-democracy in the Western Hemisphere at the time under Castro's boot.

Jimmy

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On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Joe Marcinkowski <joegreenst41 at gmail.com> wrote:

Stop with the "support for Democracy"  our support is for the Corporations.  We do not support Democracy unless a major corporation has that name. 

When the US Government installed  Pinochet in Chile on 9/11/1973 or most recently in Ukraine were we supporting Democracy?

I have a list like this include the Shah in Iran etc etc etc.  

joe

From: Jimmy Dunne [mailto:jimmydunne80 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:01 PM
To: Joe
Cc: massoud1; Lee Loe; Discuss Paa; Elio Cequea; Joe Marcinkowski; L-R Converg
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

No Lee, the sanctions have nothing to do with V's economic collapse and over 700% inflation. Sanctions were put on recently because of Maduro's making himself a dictator and squashing democracy.  Economic collapse is due to V's shutting out oil companies and wasting huge amounts of income.  US stands for democracy and tries to quell moves by dictators like in Cuba and V.

Jimmy

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Joe <joe at metroretrofurniture..com <mailto:joe at metroretrofurniture.com> > wrote:

You didn't read it very well:

Rodriguez: Yes, but Enrique Capriles has an administrative disqualification. He has the right to defend himself in the process of this disqualification, because of his apparent participation in acts of corruption <http://www.aljazeera.com/topics/issues/corruption.html> . The problem is that in Venezuela, where the democratic institutions function, where the different branches of power function, where the different political public powers make decisions are not agreeable to the Venezuelan opposition, they try to attack the Venezuelan system. 

Joe Marcinkowski

Metro retro furniture

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On Sep 13, 2017, at 10:53 AM, Jimmy Dunne <jimmydunne80 at gmail.com> wrote:

Joe

I read the Al Jazerra interview with Delcy Rodriguez who heads Madero's Constituent Assembly which has all power over every part of V government.  They have banned leader of opposition Enrique Capriles from politics for 15 years. This is the height of corruption. She is big part of the grab for dictatorial power by Madero.

PS: Freedom House gives V partially free, a 35 rating, Saudi Arabia, not free, a 10 rating and N. Korea, not free, a 3 rating. USA,free, has 90 rating.

......?........?............? What does partially free mean?  

Jimmy

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, joe <joe at metroretrofurniture.com> wrote:

Jimmy,  

Blatant Bullshit.  Now the right has decided to participate. 

Watch this recent Al Jazerra Interview:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2017/09/delcy-rodriguez-humanitarian-crisis-venezuela-170907060655166.html

Joe 

From: l-r-converg at googlegroups.com [mailto:l-r-converg at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:25 AM
To: massoud1; Lee Loe; Discuss Paa
Cc: Elio Cequea; Joe Marcinkowski; L-R Converg

Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

August 18, 2017  (Statement by Freedom House Re: Venezuela)

In response to the days-old constitutional assembly announcing that it is taking over all legislative powers of the National Assembly, the country’s parliament, Freedom House issued the following statement:

“The illegal grab of legislative powers by the constitutional assembly, a group with no legal standing, is part of President Maduro’s efforts to silence all dissent and shore up a dictatorship," said Carlos Ponce, director of Latin America programs at Freedom House. “The constitutional assembly was created through a fraudulent election and has no legitimate authority to act against congress.”

Venezuela is rated Not Free in  <https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2017/venezuela> Freedom in the World 2017, and Not Free in  <https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2017/venezuela> Freedom of the Press 2017, and Partly Free in  <https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2016/venezuela> Freedom on the Net 2016.

Freedom House is an independent watchdog organization that supports democratic change, monitors the status of freedom around the world, and advocates for democracy and human rights.

Join us on  <http://www.facebook.com/freedomhousedc> Facebook and  <http://www.twitter.com/freedomhousedc> Twitter (freedomhousedc). Stay up to date with Freedom House’s latest  <http://www.freedomhouse.org/news> news and events by signing up for our  <http://org2.salsalabs.com/o/6580/p/salsa/web/common/public/signup?signup_page_KEY=2061> newsletter and our  <http://www.freedomhouse.org/blog> blog.

PS: Saudi Arabia is not a democracy and I condemn their dictatorship. Down with all dictatorships and kings by 2099.

Jimmy

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:51 AM, massoud1 <massoud1 at windstream.net> wrote:

Jimmy, if “Freedom House sets standards for democracy” then how do you explain the U.S. unconditional support for the Saudi Arabia’s undemocratic and dictatorial regime? 

Please note that I’m talking about the U.S. government (Democratic or Republican administration) actual excellent relationship with Saudi Arabia. 

Since you have a very simple outlook of the world, please answer this simple question: If V is bad why SA is good?

Massoud

* You can avoid the answer by saying that Freedom House is an independent entity (!) or they have criticized Saudi Arabia before. However the question is how do you justify the U.S. government double standard to yourself?

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx..org <mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org> ] On Behalf Of Jimmy Dunne via Discuss
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:37 PM
To: Elio Cequea
Cc: Joe Marcinkowski; L-R Converg; Discuss Paa
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [L-R-Converg] Venezuela in dire straights today

Freedom House sets standards for democracy standards do when Maduro took dictatorial power they no longer qualified as a democracy, Cuba is not a democracy.

Jimmy 

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On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Elio Cequea <feico57 at att.net> wrote:

Did anybody ask him why Venezuela is not a democracy? He was a consultant for Herique Capriles, a former presidential candidate who has been elected governor twice in one of Venezuela’s largest states. All while under a dictatorship!

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:05 PM, Jimmy Dunne <jimmydunne80 at gmail.com> wrote:

Elio,

He is very knowledgeable about Venezuela and is an impressive speaker with good answers for questions.  You can email him.

Jimmy

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Elio Cequea <feico57 at att.net> wrote:

I would like to listen to him live and ask him a few questions.

During the 60's, 70's and 80's Venezuela was governed by people with impressive bios. Those were the times, as this guy with impressive bio said, income was badly managed.

Well...

Regards, 

Elio Cequea

On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:27 PM, Jimmy Dunne <jimmydunne80 at gmail.com> wrote:

Enjoyed talk today by Francisco Monaldi, PhD at Rice U's Baker Institute for Pubic policy. He was born in Venezuela, has an impressive bio and is a lecturer in energy economics at Rice.

He talked for 45 minutes, followed by Q&A for 15.

I took a full page of notes:

Freedom House says Venezuela is no longer a democracy.

Badly managed income in 1970's.  Shell & Exxon were there but V started taking more and more of oil revenue so oil companies stopped investing in V.  Exports of oil dropped. Hugo Chavez took power in 1999 and became partners with Fidel Castro.

In 4 years, more than 1/3 of V GDP collapsed. Chavez became popular because of high oil prices.  

1998-2013 V had slowest growth rate & highest inflation in S. America.

Government debt rose rapidly & poverty increased rapidly.

Maduro has only 17.4 percent approval rating in V. 

Oil production has dropped from 3 million barrels per day to one million. Oil rig count dropped from 110 to 70 active rigs.

V owns Citgo Oil.

V is still friends with China & Russia.

Send questions or comments to: francisco.monaldi at rice.edu

He is very knowledgeable about V and spoke without notes.

He would be an excellent speaker for any serious group.

What do you think?

Jimmy Dunne 

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